Hey Pete, I just wanted to point out some things about the finale. It was clear last season that Candace worked for the Company when she disguised herself as Mrs. Bennett to find out if Noah was still loyal to the Company or to Claire. It would have been very easy to use her powers so people wouldn't notice her take Sylar away from Kirby Plaza. With some Adam Monroe blood, they could save him and then test on him.

The press conference was in Texas, not New York, in Odessa. I only mention this because the guys are all wearing the same clothes they were at Primatech which leads me to believe they went straight to the Sheriff's office in Odessa (where the press conference was held).

This in turn, leads me to believe it couldn't have been HRG who popped Nathan because earlier we see him with Claire in Cali. Now, I know technically there are several ways he could have gotten to Odessa so quickly (assuming I'm right about all of this being the same day) but I just don't think the profile of the shooter matches the guy we saw walking away from the scene.

As for Nathan, I'm pissed about his potential demise. Last season he was a fairly well rounded character with a nice arc ending in his redemption by helping Peter save New York. I thought he choose to be a martyr but it turned out he survived. I was a bit upset about that initially but grew to like his character's actions this season. I think the most natural time to kill him off would have been last season's finale. If you look back at the promos from last week, it says "2 Heroes will fall" so that could be interpretive. The news report at the end cleverly didn't mention whether he was killed, just that he was shot by an "assassin". Is an assassin still an assassin if they didn't make the kill? I'm confused now...

Peter's blood could potentially sub for Claire's, but I'm guessing NP will bite it. Though I hope I'm wrong.

This is usually the time when I sit down for a read and find most, if not all of my thoughts on the week's episode all laid out (with an added dose of funny) but I was surprised to find very little I could agree with. Yes I realise the industry is in turmoil and the writers have a serious bout of sand in the vah jay jay, but if you have to prematurely wrap up multiple storylines it’s going to seem like there’s a whole lot more happening than there actually is. Especially when you juxtapose the last few episodes with the almighty turd that was the first 8 or 9. On a side note I accidentally played season 1 episode 11 without realising and thought they were on some MASSIVE recap with lots of footage from season one. Sweet little baby jesus what a difference this was when I eventually realised and booted up season TWO episode 11. The intro recap alone was the proverbial cup in this 2 girl match up.

This season’s effects have been appalling and I’m the type of person who gets a chub over some good visual effects so maybe I get sucked out of the experience more so because of this but hey if you can’t master the whole person flying thing then really you’re in the wrong profession. After seeing it being done so well in recent times it’s just laughable watching West awkwardly rise in air with legs flapping about and WTF was that landing shot with Parkman and Nathan? Hilarious banter when they landed but my TV was just legs for a bit there. It’s like ‘how can we shoot this with the least amount of post’ and it shouldn’t be like that and I believe it’s a HUGE hindrance on the writing. I’d rather ambitious scenes with superheros doing all kinds of awesome shit and it look bad than basic shit that looks bad. I thought that scene of Pete and Adam storming down the halls was so pissweak I just found myself shaking my head at the TV. I know it’s only a TV show but it’s seriously below par and I can only hope they make some hardware, software and most importantly talent upgrades for the next season.

Almost as rife as the poor CG are the plot holes littered throughout (I know , I know someone out there ain’t getting a residual, but *c’mon! *insert Gob voice) I thought it was really cool having Nathan shot (it was pretty brutal too. Nailed like 6 times in the chest, what kind of assassin is that?) BUT immediately after all I’m thinking is ‘why isn’t Peter reversing time?’ Why isn’t he losing his shit and opening the biggest can of whoopass (Oh right…season 3, my bad) Why didn’t anyone notice the shooter in the small crowded room? And why in god’s name can’t 3 superheroes plotting deep in the enemies lair notice the MASSIVE BLINKING RED LIGHT of a security camera on the wall next to them. Lazy, slopping, bad writers I curse thee and the show ruining horse you rode in on

Sheesh this rant is getting waaay too long and I’m not even beginning to scratch the surface. I loved this show and I still think it has so much potential but I’m going to hang some wind chimes out my window tonight and hope a mysterious Haitian comes and wipes season 2 from my mind.

NOW…the biggest question is Peter, what’s on the cards before we get some sweet sweet Lost back on?

Well, Tron, I respectfully disagree. I think Peter's hit the nail on the head with this episode.

Frankly, I think there were high expectations for this finale. It was - for me, but for others as well - a make-or-break episode pending the next season. Fortunately, this finale lived up to the hype, and more.

Interesting how almost all of Season 1 was very strong, except for the finale which did not resonate with the audience, and this time it was the whole season that blew goats and the finale rocked.

There was so much to enjoy: (1) the confrontation between Sylar and Mohinder! Excellent dialogue. "Breakfast" and we all know what Sylar is referring to, but the double-entendre was quickly followed up. Did anyone notice Maya's apron. Talk about following up the daddy issues. Perhaps a reference to your blog here, Pete? Ha ha. Anyhow, great dramatic tension, trademark Heroes twist and turn in the plotline of a single scene, and a nice build up of the villian who is Sylar.

(2) Hiro and Peter are back! Finally! Having time/space powers in a character such as Hiro is a true nightmare for any writer, I am sure. Is it possible to defeat such a person? Likely not. But just the sheer badass coolness of Hiro exacting revenge and saving the world all in one fell swoop - very cool. The only downside here is poor Ando out in the cold. Please, please for season three can we pair up this light-hearted duo in a new adventure together?

(3) Nikki dead rescuing a little girl in a fire. A good death, to be sure. Candidly, I love Ali Larter and would like her to remain with this series. Sure, we'll find some lame-ass way of resurrecting her if she wants to sign back on, but I am reminded of the classic comic book theme that the real heroes are those that do heroic deeds without the benefit of "superpowers". Niki has a lot of redeeming to do - she's done a lot of bad stuff - but this was a great first step on her journey.

(4) NP's speech at the end of the episode. Nice exposition. Well done, folks. Yes, they had to resort to some season 1 footage, because Sylar and Maya in a Ford Pinto before a green screen would have looked out of place, but this was a nice wrap-up moment for the show. I enjoy the voice-overs, particularly by Sendhil and Masa, but it was a nice turn for Adrian to have a go at it. I hope sincerely he is not leaving the show. There is a lot of room for him to develop and he's probably one of the more likeable characters.

Now there were some down points - plot holes aside, how many characters have died and been resurrected now? Death must have some meaning. This show is turning a bit into night of the living dead. Maya is now among those who have crossed-over. Also, isn't Peter becoming a bit too kick-ass? I remember someone mentioning something about absolute power corrupting absolutely. I hope we don't make Peter a villian. His conversation with Charles Deveraux was among the more touching and better written in this series, and I enjoyed his naive sincerity. Gone forever?

But things are definitely looking up. The title for the next season is apropos: in comic books, and in all good series, the villians are infintely more interesting than the heroes. I think next season needs to learn from this last: rather than starting with heroes flung across the globe and meeting up in the finale, I think we'd be better served by seeing some of the heroes banding together. History has a way of repeating itself, and shouldn't there be a new "compnay" of heroes?

Finally - and sorry this has been long - you're bang on, Pete. That shooter has to be HRG.

I'm glad Sylar is back for one main reason - Peter vs. Sylar. Here's hoping there's no skimping on the visual effects for those skirmishes. Oh, and I really hope that while there is some good battle time, that it doesn't become the Peter and Sylar hour. Of course, if the Company really wants to stop Sylar, they will need Peter's help - will Sylar push Peter into the company? Who's more evil really... Bob or Sylar?

As for Adam... GREAT poetic justice. While he may never be dead, he is '6 feet under.' That was sweet!

I officially take back everything bad I said about the Heroes writers. This was, without a doubt, the best episode of the season. Possibly ever. One problem arises with Peter and Nathan: Peter is aware he absorbs powers, and he has been with Adam for quite a while - couldn't he just inject Nathan with some of his blood?

Peter and Matt had a cool mind-off, but how did Peter do that without any training?

Peter is once again my favorite character, and it seems he's always the one to save the day. But, if he stops the Virus being unleashed, doesn't that mean that Caitlin is now non-existent? Because, he took her out of this time line, and left her in one that no longer exists.

One of the best parts of the episode was where we got to see Bob with the huge fish, that was so funny.

By the way, I think you're right about Noah. And also, Candice says in the episode with her and Sylar something like "the people I work for want you to get better". So we knew she was working for the company, and that would be how Elle recognized him.

David885, you brought up an excellent point that I forgot to mention in my post. I'm not a fan of Caitlin but her situation in the future was supposed to be one of Peter's main motivations.

I was expecting to see that fish mounted in gold on his wall.

Wow, I'm a little behind here. Lemme catch up:

@manzy704 - I think you're right. Upon the first viewing, for some reason, I thought it looked like Nathan's offices in New York, but after rewatching it this morning, it's definitely not. So yes, it was probably in Odessa, TX. And as for the killer - something about the way he walk and the shape of his head made me guess HRG, but at this point it could be someone totally new that will be introduced in Volume 3. If it was HRG, I have no doubt that once the Company heard their plans about the press conference, he would have had enough time to catch a flight to TX from LA before they managed to round up all the reporters, camerapeople, etc for the conference. Then again, with Matt running things, they may have put it together much faster than I'm assuming so you never know. Really just a blind guess on my part.

@Tr0n - I'm with you on the special effects rant, I just couldn't think of anything to say past what I've already been harping on all season. The Parkman/Nathan flight was weak, but the West shot was by far the worst. It was very obvious that they started it out by simply moving the camera down (making it seem like he was lifting up) and then cut right to a shot where all you see is feet floating out of frame. This is the kind of thing kids do in their backyard with their parents camcorder, for crying out loud. I let it go, though because I'm just glad that we may have seen the last of West.

Watching his brother get gunned down a foot away from him would probably mess with Peter's concentration a bit, so I'm going to forgive the fact that he didn't stop time. Plus, I think it might work to our advantage next season - see below - and could be used as a clever plot turn.

Also, I wanted to say that this review is for the finale alone, which I enjoyed and captured my attention for the full hour. You're right, though: this season was shite. If I had to rate last night's episode, I'd give it a solid 7.5 out of 10, but if I was rating the season as a whole, it would only rate a 3 or 4 tops (and that's pretty generous).

@Tom - At first I was resistant, but this morning I've decided that Nathan should stay dead. Granted, he's an awesome character and I'll miss him, but I think he could play a larger role in the upcoming season. Peter has spent two full seasons trying to cope with all his powers; at first afraid that he couldn't control them and that he was the bomb, then that someone could manipulate him and almost wipe out the world. I'm hoping that Nathan becomes an "Uncle Ben"-like character to Peter, and that his death finally turns Peter into the incorruptible force for good that we've been waiting for. Also, if HRG is indeed the shooter (again, totally random guess) would that mean that the Haitian is again working with him? It would give a solid reason why Peter couldn't use his powers at the press conference (especially since the Company's goal was to keep them from showing off their powers in the first place and Peter freaking out would ruin that real quick).

@cleverwhatever - 100% agree. I'm really hoping that they've been listening to the fans and will make the upcoming Sylar/Peter fights a lot more spectacular. Plus, I hope that Volume 3 brings a return to the formula that worked in the first season: Heroes vs. Villains vs. the Company. It's much more interesting when the Heroes have to stop the bad guy and dodge the Company while doing so.

@David885 - That's what I was thinking about Candace, but after Linderman died, who knows if she stayed with the Company or went rogue? She may have been part of the whole Maury/Adam/Linderman faction, and was just holding Sylar until Adam could return and heal him properly. Let's hope they explain this a bit more next season.

As for the Caitlyn issue, Peter believes that by stopping the virus here that the future will change to one without the virus, and Caitlyn will be safe there. I'm not sure that someone with a nursing degree is the best qualified person to understand the intricacies of time travel and chronological tampering. Maybe he's right and there's only one future that changes based on the actions in the present. Maybe he's wrong and the timeline with the virus was destroyed, taking Caitlyn with it. Either way, she's out of the show for a while, so I can't complain.

What was that box Elle looked for in Daddy dearest's office?

Loved Sylar's look to Mohinder when Maya came in, that "This fraking woman. Man, are listening to this bitch. I'm, I'm, just going to have to smack her. God. Excuse me Mo." then BLAMO.

You see the godsend symbol in Peter's hands after he nuked the virus. What is with that?

Adam's removal was brilliatn. Absolutely horrific (worse then LOST's Paulo & Nikki) and still leaves it open that he could get out

Agree that HRG was the lone gunman.

@CC26 - It was her file. She was looking for info on herself to see if Bennett was telling the truth, but the file was empty, hence why she was checking his computer.

I'm not sure what to think about Adam right now. On one hand, he deserves it. On the other hand, I can't see Hiro as the kind of person who would just let him suffer for eternity, no matter how evil he is. On the other, other hand, I also can't see Hiro as someone who would just murder someone, so I'm on the fence about the decision. I do like that he's still in play however. No one knows where he is except Hiro, but someone with psychic powers could find the location, or someone could use Molly to find him if they really wanted to.

As a small aside...

So one bullet straight through the head kills the healers (Adam or Peter at least). However, mental damage can be repaired with healing (i.e. memory loss ala no more amnesia). Is it just me or does that see a little contradictory? It was OK as long as I thought it was decapitation... the power resides in the brain which is why Sylar can get the powers by eating brains. If the brain is disconnected... I guess a bullet would do enough damage to stop the brain from healing? Wouldn't the brain forgetting how to heal stop the brain from healing too then?

I'm WAY overthinking this, to Tim Kreig's point about the plausibility of the season 1 finale.

One other small question... Mrs. Petrelli... is she telepathic and can talk to you or just know the exact moments that Parkman is in her head and talks to him when he's there? He doesn't seem to have an open Mic with anyone else... and neither does Peter.

I didn't record last night's episode, but did anyone get a closer look at the names on the boxes in the office Elle was looking for her file? I saw the one to the left of her's was her fathers. Anyone see the others? Curious to know who else Bob has files on.

This episode was amazing, an peter petrelli got cool again instead of his crapness in the last episode whre he was all like 'im gonna believe evrything' he was like the bad guy for a bit which was pretty cool---------and sylar was great he was all like 'breakfast' an calm an evrything an he got his powers back------an the best bit was there was actually a fight, one that you actually saw anit was decent with peter petrelli all like hiro im gonna kill u then his mindything with matt parkman

@Tom: The boxes, you only saw a few, but one was Elle, there were two for Bob, one for Maury and one for Angela. The rest were too small.

@Tom & David885 - You're correct. From what I've heard from various set reports and from watching the episodes, Bob's office contains all the files of Company employees, past and present, including the founders. Other files that Nathan mentioned in a previous episode were those of Victoria Pratt and Adam Monroe. The other files (the ones on the people with abilities) are kept in various places, which is how HRG got a hold of so many.

I'd personally like to see what's in Angela and Papa Petrelli's files.

Also, bring back Claude.

Well I don't know where you people get your hype but I hated this season finale.
I really don't understand how this episode keeps getting great reviews everywhere. Maybe it's just me.
So the mexicans (they spent so much time on, specially during the first episodes) turn out to be little more then Sylar's ride to New York? The ending, I mean its nice to see Sylar back and the can of spinach was a nice touch but the one-liner threw that scene down the drain.
The Organization ... thats a good one too. They backed up Linderman when trying to blow up New York. But releasing a deadly virus they just refuse to dispose of? That's just too evil for them I guess. Their goals keep getting weirder by the second. So they captured Adam but they knew a bullet to the head would kill him (Why not kill him then) still his blood cured a bullet to the head on Mr. Bennet? That's kind of dodgy. (And a cranial fracture on Claire isn't enough to kill her either, although I'd argue thats a different case). These kind of gimmicks give them the freedom to pull the characters they want back into the storyline but in my eyes its still a gimmick. This blatant manipulation doesn't work well, looks like an easy way out to me.
Don't get me started on Peter! How gullible can you get! Sure he saved his brother but they aren't exactly best friends, he won't hear anyone else even when he himself says that same day the virus would be released (I wonder who? ... The crazy killer friend that keeps acting weird and always knows more then he should about the Organization? Naaaa, can't be). I like it when he shocks Hiro's sword even though he's holding the handle but that's just being anal about it. Still he had to save his girlfriend, the one he left 'back in the future', but wait! If he changes the future does he even know what the hell will happen to her? Not the brightest tool in the shed I guess.
Oh and he keeps tugging away and this huge door (using telekinesis)... I'm no expert but wouldn't it be easier to just walk through it, he did use that power when helping Adam escape, right?
Hiro's revenge also lacked a bit of originality to it... so he buried him alive. The scene was nice but burying 'the man that lives forever' alive doesn't seem like a good idea, it's just a matter of time until he escapes. Still one of the best parts in the episode.
Then Nathan dies in the end, shocking! Nobody was expecting that after they got caught on camera explaining their plans... But wait, how does that stop Peter or anybody else from exposing the Organization, catching the killer on the spot and so on? (He can stop time can't he?). For all we know he could stop time, catch the killer, revive his brother with his own blood and show it all for everyone to see (not to mention all the flying and lightning).

I guess I'll cut my rant short, I think this was a bad episode, certainly a bad season finale (it had more plot holes that a swiss cheesy if you pardon the lame joke) and doesn't get near great episodes of this season like ep.7 with the Nightmare Man. The series is disappointing me with their abusive use of gimmicks and incoherences. I'll still remember the great twists and the feel of a greater picture behind the story in the 1st and partly the 2nd season too.
I do hope to forget this one soon.

i dont understand
is it not obvious that candace was working for the company???
i mean that def what i was thinking the whole time
the company experimented on him
and sylar was who bob was talking about the whole time
like when he was telling su-resh
we need the virus to stop dangerous ppl
obvious
they put him out in the middle of knowhere
(one thing that i thought of was
if they cure him with adams blood
then why does he still have bad wounds when he wakes up???)
so anyway
candace was his keeper
typical company !

that was just something that bothered me

The bit about a bullet to the brain was a bad thing to introduce, because I'm sure an explosion does worse to the brain then a bullet does, and Adam survived despite being right next to the gunpowder.

If the writers were clever enough, they could easily bring Candice back. Just have it so Candice made Sylar think some random woman was her, and she made the woman think Sylar was like her husband or something.

@CJR, Tron and cleverwhatever: Spot on... dunno what happened in this season finale, I can't understand how people are giving it thumbs up... Did they watch a different Heroes season that I didn't know of?
In the last previous 4 episodes (7,8,9,10, being the 7,8,9 excelent and 10 so-so) the season seamed to be right on track, but with this finale they sidetracked giving a weird conclusion to the previous tie-ins.

Peter stayed half episode 'force crushing' a safe door when he crossed with Adam a full wall to escape their cell (obviously to stall the episode), the Micah arc served absolutely no purpose to dispose of Niki with a poor directed sequence (Monica escapes quickly and leaves Niki stranded when she could easily risk herself to get out even with burns, it was only one wood beam on fire...).

Maya and Alejandro only served to give Sylar a ride back to USA... they spent 6 episodes getting to the border and using the same power in the exactly the same situation over and over again, sometimes even in the same episode.

Not to enter the Regenerating blood plot holes, since those work differently when the writers want (shot Adam in the head, he's dead, but regenerates someone that is shot in the eye like Bennet or if you have a branch inside your brain like Claire...)...

The Peter agreeing to work with Adam to destroy the Virus also makes no sense, why destroy a Virus if you want to save the girl in the wrong Future first? How Peter would know that she would cross to the saved Future? Obviously the Hatian cleared him his logic and he never got it back...

And there's a lot more that people already mentioned...

The last episodes 7,8,9,10 really gave me the impression that the series was on the right track, unfortunately the track had train coming in the end of the tunnel.

CJR - I understand why a lot of people didn't like the season finale. Sure, it could have been lightyears better. Sure, there was some crappy dialog and poor writing. But overall, I enjoyed it and it didn't bore me to death, which says a lot considering the season we've had (I actually fell asleep during two different episodes this year).

I've pretty much given up the hope that this is going to be an epic series. Instead of placing it in the Lost category, it's now in more of the Doctor Who category. It's a fun show about interesting characters and a sci-fi bent that can be excellent if you don't think about it too much, which unfortunately I have the habit of doing (and apparently I'm not alone there).

As for the Company, they've said multiple times that it's pretty fractured itself. Some people supported Linderman, some people didn't. Some people supported Adam, some people didn't. Right now, the only people I know for sure were good people in the original Company were Kaito Nakamura, and Papa Petrelli (he was killed trying to bring Linderman down). Victoria Pratt seemed to be pretty decent and was supposed to continue on in the show, but was killed off to shorten the season.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say that I want a little more clarification on the headshot thing. It's too dodgy to be reliable and just seems like a convenient way to bring people back. Right now, I'm working on the theory that if you're a healer, then your powers are controlled by your brain. Kill the brain and you can't heal. If you get a transfusion of a healer's blood however, you can heal from any wound (head or otherwise) because it's not controlled by your damaged brain; it works all on it's own. Again, this is just a theory because the writers are too lazy to fully detail these things.

As for Peter Petrelli,it's not so much that he's gullible, I just think he's naive and far too trusting. Adam helps him escape from their prison and then heals Nathan and helps him find the virus, and Peter is ready to completely trust the guy. Like I said above, I hope that Nathan's death makes Peter a stronger person and not as willing to trust other people without a little "mind investigation" first.

I didn't think about the phasing thing, but you guys are right. Why wouldn't he just walk through? Maybe it's material dependent? You can phase through walls and concrete but not reinforced steel? Maybe Peter wasn't sure what was on the other side and wanted to have a quick way out? I don't know.

As for Hiro's decision I realized today that Hiro has no idea about the head thing. As far as Hiro knows, there's no way to actually kill him (this is the guy who survived an explosion after all) which is why he did what he did. I would have liked to see a little more, maybe something about how Hiro had concrete poured over the casket to entomb it (which was in the original script, but got cut out for some reason).

I can't really say what Peter's going to do from here on out, because the episode ended with Peter holding Nathan on the ground. If I'm right and it's HRG and the Haitian, Peter won't be able to use his powers. If it's someone else, we may still see Peter kick some ass and reveal himself to the world. Or maybe Nathan's death will keep Peter quiet (this is the second family member he's lost tragically).

@Av - I think Candace was working for the Company, but something doesn't seem right. If she worked for the Company, why wouldn't Sylar have been patched up better (they have access to a lot of good doctors)? Also, why were they in a shack in the middle of nowhere by themselves and not a Company run research facility under heavy guard? Maybe she was working for the Company, and they were just worried about another escape attempt. Something just doesn't add up.


@TheBrain - You do have to keep in mind that this was a "quick fix" for the studio and it was most definitely a super-quick way to tie up loose ends. The Nikki/Monica/Micah arc wasn't even supposed to end for another few episodes. In the original arc, Monica was supposed to piss off a local gangster (can't remember his name at the moment) and their confrontations were going to lead to her eventually being tied up in that burning building. Instead, they added the lame "he stole my backpack" bit so that she could get caught and put in the building. It was a terrible way to speed up that story.

And as for Maya, they better find some way to make her character pay off in the next volume, otherwise we're all right that she's pointless. Maybe after losing her brother and finally seeing Sylar for the psycho that he is, she'll learn to control her powers even more and maybe become a new love interest for Hiro or something. Even better, maybe she could become a love interest for Claire!

Honestly, I'm just glad it's over because hopefully they've learned their lesson and Volume Three will be worth a damn.

CJR et al - thanks for some thought-provoking comments on the episode. I have to agree with Pete on this one: whereas I felt last season (after almost every episode), "Wow. This is a very different TV show from anything on right now" I haven't felt much like that this season. Coming into season two, *nothing* would prevent me from watching an episode. I, like Pete, fell asleep during one episode and turned off another before the end out of sheer lack of interest.

Undoubtedly many plot lines were cut short due to the strike. But I have to agree - what was the freaking point with the Wonder Twins after all? Was their plotline leaked out? I find it hard to believe some writers around a table came up with this: "Okay, I've got an idea. It's a latino couple, maybe from Mexico or maybe somewhere else down south there and they want to get across the border and when they do, Sylar kills one of them and the other has this really cool power: she bleeds out the eyes and kills everyone. Sound good? Okay, let's starting shooting some film here folks."

Really?

Maybe I'm missing it. Maybe the black dye out the eyes is an allusion to something religious. But how does a power that kills everyone around you open up plot lines? Imagine if these folks donned spandex and got heroic names. Hi, my name is Maya and I bleed death out of my eyes. Don't make me angry, or I kill everyone.

Yahoo. I'm sure we can work this into a "good guy" role. Not.

Anyhow, I'm in a negative rut again - sorry Tron - still think it was a better-paced episode and had some kick ass moments. I frankly think Peter's character is going to be problematic because he's just too damn powerful. (Anyone pick up on the fact that in two series finales he's nearly been the cause of all the hurt - Sylar wasn't far off the mark - he is the villian!)

Last thought - too many gimmicks is accurate. Again, not treating the audience as adults and playing to the lowest common denominator. Hold on, Pete; I'm hopeful season three will inspire us once again, and avoid plot eddies such as the bullet to the brain. Why try to explain crap? Never worked for George Lucas and the Force, and it shouldn't work for "ClaireBear".

@Tom - Glad to know I'm not the only one out there that suffered a bout of "Molly-itis" (the urge to sleep through an entire episode).

I don't really want them to go into great meandering detail about how things work (like Lucas with his completely retarded Midichlorian wtf germs), but with something as seriously and possibly overused as resurrection, the writers need to clearly define some boundaries. Some limits. Otherwise, it's just a gimmick that they can use whenever they want to bring someone back. Give it a cost, give it a limitation, and then you have a compelling story element. I'd like to see the healing effect degrade over time. Maybe after six months the healing blood is all gone and the wounds start to slowly return. Or even better, maybe once you've been healed, six months down the road when the healing blood is all gone your body can't fight off germs on it's own and you basically become sick and die. I dunno. SOMETHING.

As for Peter and his powers, I have no problem with him being all powerful as long as they temper it with something else. Like the best Superman stories, the key is to show that even though he has all that power, he's still very human and has problems of his own.

@Peter: 'You do have to keep in mind that this was a "quick fix"'
Yeah, I know that unfortunately ... The little problem I have with that is that they seem to work on a daily basis, doing a general huge outline of the plot at the start of the season and changing it by episode shooting without looking again to the plot outline and seeing if the story arc still makes sense with the characters, globally.

I didn't know about what the Niki arc was supposed to be, but how you described it would make a better resolution to that story , and... if they had a more believable sequence in the fire (one of the problems there was clearly that the shooting was slow paced for the urgency they had, and poor camera placement).
But... should we hold on on stuff that didn't happened or look what the episode actually was?

I agree with you when you say that the season finale episode was better than some of the season 2 episodes, though that feeling might come because of the first 6 episodes that where a little slow paced and most of the screening time was spent on Maya and Alejandro escaping the police, Maya releasing the tear virus and Alejandro healing it,... in every one of the six episodes, exactly because of the same reasons.

It would certainly make a better season if they managed the screen time better and worked out some minor details, what happened is that they planned to have a slow start and then they had to rush everything because of the writers strike. I still think they had an amazing tie-ins in episodes 7,8,9 and 10.

@Tom: "Why try to explain crap? Never worked for George Lucas and the Force, and it shouldn't work for "ClaireBear"."
Yeah, I agree with you, they don't have to explain it, might be even better if viewers work the details out, just make it work with some logic and without arbitrary rulings or characters in the series saying contradicting stuff.

Amazing... polite and contructive answers to a different view of the episode review. Who are you people and what have you done with the Internet? eheh.

@Peter: You pretty much summed it up.
One thing though, being Bennet and the Haitian the shooters, why would they do it? Wouldn't Nathan's decision be great for them. It's exactly what they were trying to do all along. I wouldn't like to see the Noah protecting his family excuse again, and the Haitian just tagging along as usual.
I agree the season start was boring as hell, but since the recent episodes got our hopes back again I guess I was expecting alot more from this ending. I still enjoyed some aspects of this series globally (namely Hiro's Kenzo story arc) but I find it sad for a series with such potencial has this one would fall under the 'Doctor Who' category has you said. And it's exactly because of this potencial that I tend not to be so forgiving. I agree completely that these gimmicks need to be controlled or they'll just work wrong on the story's flow and might even grow out of control... overall they just reveal poor work by the writers. I'm also sad that, in my opinion, not only were there too many new characters (and stories to be told at the same time, yet most of them don't seem to be progressing) but also alot of the new characters (with the exception of Adam, at least during the Kenzo arc, and some others) didn't turn out to be has interesting has some lost in the previous series, like Isaac Mendez for example.

I really hope they get back on track with the 3rd volume, It's not going to be easy to find a good series with this kind of theme.

One last thing, congratulations for the website. It's nice to see some civilized conversations on the internet everyonce in a while. =)

It's nice to see some civilized conversations on the internet everyonce in a while. =)

Oops, now you've gone and jinxed it, CJR! Next thing you know, we'll be swapping insulting LOLcats and calling each other motherf***ing c***bites in no time.

Noooooooooooooo!

Don't forget Godwin's Law!

Last bit of rant: limits to the powers - yes, there should be limits, but they don't need to be described. The best example of this? Hiro's attempt to save Charlie in the past. I thought, whoa! This is a corner they've painted themselves into - how much can Hiro dick with the time continuum? In the end, he couldn't change her death, but we didn't have to explain why. Something about "this power is bigger than I am..." Fine. We can accept that as an audience. Microbes in the blood? Not nearly so much.

Well it seems like I'm in the minority for hatin' on this episode so I watched it again and it only served to frustrate me even more. I can see why some of you liked it and it wasn't THAT bad considering the turmoil the industry is in, but a turd by any other name....

I just finished watching the second season of Dexter and I know it's hard to compare the two shows but I walked away from that season very satisfied which I defy anyone to say the same of heroes...at least with a straight face. I think for heroes 3 they need to peg it back to the basics and then rebuild from there and bringing sylar and most importantly his powers back, is the first step forward. I don't mind so much that Peter is uber powerful (petrelli..not sorensen) as his niavety lends itself to good character development and now that his bro is dead (albeit by being shot through one of the shows many plot holes) he has a lot of maturing to do. I think a there's a big problem with Hiro and his power which is bad becuase he's such a good character but the more he uses it the more paradoxes he opens up and it's harder to get lost in the Heroes' universe. Either he becomes a rudder in time if you will, and only appears as a guiding force to the Heroes when in trouble or he gets his own spin off show. I would hate to see less of Hiro but unless the writers have a straight flush up their impoverished sleeve then it's going to be tough to keep the loveable time traveller without completely ruining all concept of space and time. Keep it simple, good v bad v company and I'm not adverse to new character but at least a) Don't duplicate another power we;ve already seen b) make it cool c) skip the 'holy shit, I can haz powerz?' bit (sorry pete I had to through a lolcats in there).

Since there's no gaurantee that Heroes will be back and there's 2 months until we get to see any Lost, what plans to you have to keep myself and the other readers of the geek busy at work during the hiatus?

Peter, any thoughts on the LOST webisodes or "Missing Pieces"? Personally, I'm filling my time until LOST comes back on watching X-Files reruns on Netflix. Three words: Sculley = Hubba-hubba. (hubba-hubba only counts as one word right?)

@Tr0n - Trust me, you're not in the minority. I've gotten more than my share of verbal beatdowns for liking the episode, so I'd say I'm probably in the minority. What can I say? Maybe having such a sucky season made me easy.

I'd like to see all of the major Heroes limp away from this season with a whole new outlook. I'd like to see Peter lie low after watching his brother die in front of him, and then suddenly come out swinging halfway through the season when the inevitable conflict arises. Same with Hiro. He can still use his teleporting powers and his time-stopping powers, but I'd like to see him stop the time-travel bit. Maybe he could decide that after everything that happened because of his trip to Japan, that it's just too dangerous. I guess I'd like to see these two become more of the Cyclops/Professor X kind of heroes. The superpowerful ones that lead others, but only tear stuff up when they really really have to. I'd like to see new Heroes, but good ones. Characters that are interesting and fun to watch.

I could go on and on about what I'd like to see, but I'll let it stand there for now.

@jbsoren - Y'know, I've been watching these but they don't really do anything for me. It seems like they just grabbed a handheld camera and a couple actors, put them on a set, and then let them go. The writing isn't so much and I can't quite see why or where they fit into the main storyline. We have 10 weeks until Lost returns and more importantly, 10 weeks to get prepared for the season premiere (insert ominous music here).


Also, in response to what we'll have going on in the upcoming weeks, I have some articles and ideas planned, so stayed tuned. I'll be moving the weekly post to Wednesday to prepare for my weekly Lost review, but I am going to try to have more posts throughout the week than usual to keep people on their toes.

Also, no zombies. (I can hear the crowds cheering already)

so explain to me again
why you dont know who the killer is this time
??

like why cant you lighten this picture also
the way you did when adam killed kaito
??

@Avi.Henschel - The killer is only shown for a second, backlit, walking away in the distance, and only from the back.

This is a problem because photo enhancement only shows the back of a white male with dark hair. That's it. He's of average build (as you can see in the pic in the article), so it could literally be any number of characters.

I did a little size comparison, and the killer is between 5' 10" and 6'1". Again, this doesn't do much to narrow it down. For all we know, it could even be an evil future Peter Petrelli. The choices are endless because the killer has no identifiable traits (at least that can be seen in the short time he's on screen).

So basically it came down to this: either it's a brand new character, or one we already know.

If it's a brand new character, nothing we do is going to identify him.

If it's an existing character, it's just a process of elimination. Mohinder is out because of hairstyle and skin color, Hiro is out because of height and build. Parkman, Peter, and Nathan are out for obvious reasons, as are Sylar and Adam. Bob is out because of hair quantity and build. West is too tall and thin, so he's out too. This really only leaves two choices: Noah Bennett or... and I hate to say it because it's so overused by now ...Papa Petrelli.

I'm going to say it again: I'm 99% sure that Arthur Petrelli is dead. The only reason I left the 1% is because we the viewers have never seen the body, so it could all just be a huge Company cover-up. I doubt it, though, so I'm sticking with HRG.